SUMMARY KEYWORDS
yoga, talk, practice, kirtan, waves, bhakti, surfing, podcast, bali, chris, singing, feel, relationship, started, point, question, called, people, audrey, meditation
SPEAKERS
Audrey Sarquilla, Martin O'Toole, Chris Sarquilla, Julia Malcolmson
Martin O'Toole 00:30
Cat's make that noise. Is that because
Julia Malcolmson 00:34
they're in season
Martin O'Toole 00:37
I think it's horny isn't it? Think is the only thing Well, BMO capital live here.
Audrey Sarquilla 00:42
But they're all fixed the man. Males come around.
Martin O'Toole 00:47
This is good chat.
Audrey Sarquilla 00:48
Yeah, yeah. You gotta come into the
Martin O'Toole 00:53
cats.
Audrey Sarquilla 00:56
The Bali life.
Martin O'Toole 00:57
You guys have got some horny cats.
Audrey Sarquilla 01:02
Making fun of our accents.
Martin O'Toole 01:03
The best I can do in American accent terms. I apologise on behalf of Great Britain for my bad impression of an Americanian.
Chris Sarquilla 01:11
Well, we'll have to apologise as well. Oh, wow, I really have to choke up on this.
Martin O'Toole 01:15
No, you do. Sorry about that. What's your can you do an English accent?
Audrey Sarquilla 01:20
You can
Julia Malcolmson 01:21
you did one a minute ago.
Chris Sarquilla 01:24
I did do one a minute ago. A minute ago. Just a wee bit.
Martin O'Toole 01:30
What is that? ,
Chris Sarquilla 01:35
we watched one of my movies is the movie snatch. Yeah. I think I watched that with my friends like 10 times at least. And then we'd start we started having some drinks and then we'd all just start speaking like
Martin O'Toole 01:48
what you were doing the genuine cockney accent or were you doing the the pikey accent?
Chris Sarquilla 01:53
A little bit
Martin O'Toole 01:54
sway your dogs for some caravans?
Chris Sarquilla 01:55
Yeah, we just go back and forth.
Martin O'Toole 01:57
Or do it for a caravan or
Chris Sarquilla 01:58
we're doing the whole thing properly.
Martin O'Toole 02:00
Two dogs and 12 caravans. Yeah, so you're gonna have to, you can hear yourself, that's why you have the headphones on. So you're gonna have to means you have to speak and you're gonna have to get into the mic.
Julia Malcolmson 02:12
And nice and close.
Martin O'Toole 02:15
So, the Mr. And Mrs. Sarquilla. Thank you.
Audrey Sarquilla 02:21
Sarquilla
Martin O'Toole 02:22
Sarquilla. Good. I've been pronouncing it right all this time.
Chris Sarquilla 02:25
Can you say SAR key
Martin O'Toole 02:27
SAR Kia Yeah, talk to me about Sarquilla only for a moment or two. But what's the what's the nature of your name?
Chris Sarquilla 02:34
Yeah, it's from the Philippines, actually, my Filipino grandfather, who was born and raised in the Philippines, and was taken on by the US military after they chased the Japanese off the island. And they offered all the Filipino men, automatic US citizenship, and a job in the military. If you are between the age 18 and 21, nice, he was 16 but lied. Just work on a Navy ship.
Martin O'Toole 03:04
Well, and then became a US citizen and the rest is kind of history. Yeah. Yeah. You got a story like that?
Julia Malcolmson 03:13
Do I have a story like that? From No,
Chris Sarquilla 03:15
I didn't know you were from the Philippines.
Julia Malcolmson 03:17
I think your mistaking me with someone else. No.
Martin O'Toole 03:20
I mean, do you have like a, you know, a family story like that?
Julia Malcolmson 03:22
We don't actually I was thinking this the other day, my family just don't tell enough stories. And I kind of want to get in touch with everyone and get their stories.
Martin O'Toole 03:30
My dad knows a lot of these stories. But I used to tell them when I had little to no interest in hearing about my family history. I have to admit I've got to the point now we're actually a module interested. My older brother Pete is a not for it. He's done loads and research into into our family history. Apparently, allegedly, we are related to a saint Catholic saint, an archbishop of some description. We're also related to Robert Peel. The chap who invented the British police constabulary the pillars which is ironic because between the three of us we were arrested a lot of time and we're also related to the McDonald McDonald clan. You've heard of the Scottish clans before
Julia Malcolmson 04:15
We're the MacLeod clan we probably fought in a battle somewhere.
Martin O'Toole 04:18
No imagine that. Imagine if your great great great great great great great great great great granddad killed mine the same made me a bit sad. Anyway, we're not here to be sad because we're on the how to die happy podcast. So maybe
Chris Sarquilla 04:35
maybe if you're sad your whole life and you dislike you really invest in that you have all this space to be happy right before you die.
Martin O'Toole 04:43
That's I could buy into that because I believe in in transformation in the present moment. So I could have a really sucky time write it to the end and then suddenly embrace the whole thing but as you may or may not know, because I'm sure you've listened to all of our episodes. We He talks about the 10. deathbed regrets a lot on this show, because that was, in part what inspired me to do the show in the first place. And there are, well, there are 10. And this is called the top 10 deathbed regrets. And these regrets are really quiet suddenly. And there is things like, I wish I'd had the courage to live my dreams, I wish I'd had the courage to be my authentic self. I wish I had not held grudges. I wish I'd spent more time with family instead of work. And then there is another deathbed regret wishes. I wish I'd said I love you more. And I suppose to an extent, that's why we're having this conversation with these two, isn't it?
Julia Malcolmson 05:43
Yeah, this is the main thread really, for today's today's episode.
Martin O'Toole 05:53
I should explain for anyone watching and occasionally hearing the microphone issues with Chris, we spent probably a good hour or so in this kit and kaboodle opponents and discussing everything. So saving everything due to my increasing irritation levels, only to discover that the fourth channel on the mixer doesn't work. So that's why these two are sharing a microphone in in a really devoted way. Great work does this work? So should we explain how we met these two? Is that Is that how we kick this off?
Julia Malcolmson 06:26
Yeah, I think so.
Martin O'Toole 06:28
What do you mean these two?
Audrey Sarquilla 06:29
I don't know.
Julia Malcolmson 06:30
Well, I first I didn't really meet you. But I started going to your classes in Ubud. Yes, some time ago. I think at the time you had long dark hair.
Audrey Sarquilla 06:40
Probably it's been many colour. Yeah. And
Julia Malcolmson 06:43
it was probably a good four, maybe five years ago. It been to Kirtan but I'd never been to a bhakti flow class. So I'd never combined the two together. So that was the first time I met you. And then when did you meet them?
Martin O'Toole 07:00
think I met Chris through Pablo is a friend of ours, he will probably get on the show at some point. He's a breathwork. For those of you who don't know what we're talking about, everyone else knows Pablo. Here's the problem. The Pablo is a beautiful bear of a man, a beautiful breathing bear. And that's how I first met you. But then of course, we came to kirtan.
Julia Malcolmson 07:25
Now we have been coming as much as we can.
Martin O'Toole 07:28
We have but I I'm I wonder how do we tell a story? Do we talk about kirtan first? Or do we talk about bhakti? First?
Audrey Sarquilla 07:38
I would I'm up for anything, we can go down and we're free to go on tangents. Right when we're talking. I mean, go down many rabbit holes, right? Like we've we've had some very good talks for many hours with the both of you. And we could go anywhere, right? We can go where we learned we can start with either we can start with an experience that has Yeah, with you guys, if you want that you've had experience or we can talk about bhakti or anything with less.
Martin O'Toole 08:10
So I should really I should just point out that our audience is all over the world because it's a podcast. And I think mostly we've got a big American following. We've got a big British following. And hilariously, not so surprisingly, we've got a big following here. And I suspect they're all expats here. But we have a great deal of our audience doesn't do this stuff. They don't do yoga, they don't do theatre, and they probably never heard of it. Or breathwork or psychedelics or only the things we talked about in the show. So so we're always keen to talk about these things with that lens
Audrey Sarquilla 08:46
the origin right.
Martin O'Toole 08:48
Explaining what it is. And so we had a we've had two chats about yoga and we on the show.
Julia Malcolmson 08:54
Yeah, we have we spoke to Chiara about Kundalini yoga. And
Martin O'Toole 09:00
I feel I read into the yoga chat. Maybe we didn't
Julia Malcolmson 09:02
we did kids yoga.
Martin O'Toole 09:04
Oh, yeah.
Audrey Sarquilla 09:04
Oh, awesome.
Julia Malcolmson 09:05
Yeah, that was fun.
Audrey Sarquilla 09:06
Well, Jules and I were having a conversation about kind of the, the genesis of getting into yoga, and many years ago. Actually, people were like, What is yoga? In fact, they would ask me you do what yoga yoghurt? Like, they would make fun of it. Especially when I was you know, I started yoga at 18. And that was many, many years ago. And I didn't have to, I had to really invite encourage, let people know why yoga was important. Because it just wasn't something that was in mainstream daily consciousness. Now, it's more like you just say yoga. And people are like, well, I go to the studio and then this class and that class and how much can I get in a lot of a lot of times, not not for everybody, but now at least people know that. Oh, this yoga thing. Something that's really beneficial for us, how do I manage to enter it? And people are still, like interested to enter into yoga and aren't quite sure. And so that's that has come over the past 30 years like massively. It's massively exciting. And so the journey for a lot of people start with me in many different ways, whether it's Kundalini or Asana yoga class, or maybe they stumble into a cured thought. And we had people the other night, right that have never been to kirtan before. And it always amazes me. I'm like, That's so exciting that you, you know, this was your first experience. And yeah, I love to see that with people.
Martin O'Toole 10:45
Do you think that's? Do you think the same understanding of yoga can be said the world over? That is to say the west or is it obviously over here? And most people listened to this show? Know that I only started doing yoga when I got to Bali? Oh, no, I should start doing in my first year of sobriety in London, doing vinyasa flow. And some of that really, that really cool one where you just lie down and cuddle a pillow? Was that calming yoga? Nidra? No, that's even better. Now that when we had to do the same thing,
Julia Malcolmson 11:19
there different yin and restorative are different
Martin O'Toole 11:20
I think it was yin, yeah, there was a cushion. And it was a bit painful. That's kind of but do you think that people in the West have the same kind of understanding of a the history and the story behind yoga and B, it's complex. Categories are different types.
Audrey Sarquilla 11:43
I mean, I have, I mean, the capacity of what, and the capacity and the differences of what people understand of yoga, I would have no idea how to answer that. But what I remember, again, living in and growing up in LA and San Diego area, the yoga is, is a bit more prescribed, depending on where you go. And it's very Asana based, I think that's changing. And definitely here in Bali, like the contrast of what's different is that I feel like when people come here, they're, they're ready to inquire a bit more, they're a bit hungry to unravel and understand themselves more. So they're not looking just for a workout. In and honestly being drawn to yoga for whatever reason, a workout, the asana, the, you know, the meditation, all of it is, it's however, the somebody gets into it great. And then wherever, whatever way they're led, whatever path they find that multi dimensional path will be very unique to them. But yes, I think here in Bali, it's just a play, it's a vortex, it's where a lot of us are drawn that we want to have a bit of a unique lifestyle or different lifestyle than what maybe we were born into, or grew up with, or found in, say, what we call the Western world or area. And so yeah, I would, I would say the students because they're coming from all over the world, internationally, you get somebody that doesn't, doesn't speak your language, and but they can come in and drop into your class and, and you can communicate, that is exciting that you can actually communicate with, with this very ancient, sacred practice and make it very simple, and not so complex. While it has massive complexities, that, you know, the more the more you learn, we know this, the more you learn, the more you know, you you don't know. And the more there is to learn and to grow into into embody. And that's what Chris and I really have conversations about is, is what is it like to learn something and think you know it or remember it? And then how are you embodying it. And that's really interesting for us to even come on with you guys and talk about is the embodiment of what yoga is what relationship is what what happiness means what, what it looks like to be, I mean, again, in relationship, you know, healthy and yet there's challenges and pain and, and chaos and all of it. And Yoga is a practice just help us go through the smiles, the tears, the happy and the sad and have all of that going on at once and being able to navigate it. And yeah, but I know you said Western, versus here in Bali and Bali is just this magical vortex that the more you're here, like we were coming here and would you say you're like Like, maybe we'll be here for a year. And I was like, I think we'll be here longer. You know, four years in and many challenges, right and navigating living here is, is both beautiful and intense. But Bali just sucks you it. And so I think it has a lot to do with the yoga community and the holistic community and people looking to find, you know, we're, you're on your scooter, you see a lot of people you know, that are willing to stop and pause. And we saw a friend this morning riding his bicycle while we're driving by a scooter. And he's had a rough time. He's like, can you pull over and we just like talked on the side of the road for a bit. We don't take that time. A lot of times in the we don't in the in the Western world. Yeah, I'd like to say we would. But
Julia Malcolmson 15:48
man, I think it's, it's easier here in Bali to kind of bridge that gap, like the gap between your practice and the rest of your life is much easier to kind of bring the two together. It's a big challenge, but especially now in England, it's a challenge for a lot of people.
Martin O'Toole 16:02
Yeah, we had a, an interview last week, with a chap called John Butler, who's in his 80s. And we had to call as the Be my guest callers who recorded questions. And both of them were yoga teachers, actually. And but they both had questions about meditation relating to the fact that regardless of the being yoga teachers and meditators, they still struggled to find the time they both in London, and they both struggle to find the time to meditate. And yeah, I can't make that though. I, I lived in London for four years, and it is distinctly more difficult to to be and to live that that the path that you are learning in class, all and in books, you know, obviously there's intellectual component to this as well. And I was thinking about what you're just saying there. And there's a there's a thing about this particular community, I think, and actually, it's what we missed, because we went to live in our bed and we totally missed this community.
Audrey Sarquilla 17:00
We missed you guys, too.
Julia Malcolmson 17:02
We only went for two months.
Chris Sarquilla 17:05
I expected you guys to come back pretty quick.
Julia Malcolmson 17:06
Are you all doubted us huh?
Martin O'Toole 17:09
You called it? It was? Well, we say it was to do with the food as well. But it was in the main we missed the community.
Julia Malcolmson 17:16
And we missed kirtan
Martin O'Toole 17:19
There's a song. There's a song. There's a song called namaste by diva piramal Have you heard it? Because Namaste Namaste it's a really happy song. And I found myself riding my boat my bike through begin just going Hi to everyone like you know, your ride through being in an in 10 minutes, you're waving at what 10 People listen to know that, you know, other people in the country sing in the car sometimes. And I started singing now I'm gonna stay. Hi, namaste. Anyway, I just thought I'd share that with you and our audience at home.
Audrey Sarquilla 17:55
Yeah, chanting on the scooter has been my, you know how I learned it really just to keeping me sane. So I know, I know, passing that along to many, many a yogi coming here to Bali, like, you know, chant and say, so you know, pay attention and be present and focus, as I think helped a lot of people,
Martin O'Toole 18:15
it's a great way to do it is in fact, this is the Guru Rinpoche mantra in Tibetan, which is our home bends I grew up in my city home. And I often just chant that when I'm riding. If I want a long ride, I will chant that for two, three hours, which is gonna give me some brownie. Somewhere, I'm opening some party somewhere
Audrey Sarquilla 18:37
the opposite right of the yoga thing. It's gonna give me brownie points. But we'll do that.
Martin O'Toole 18:43
No, you make a good point, though. So I am interested in having a conversation about yoga, as we're going to talk about back to you because we have the conversation. But it's probably worth us talking about yoga in general, we I don't think we've done that. And I and I suspect a great deal of people, perhaps who are listening to this. When you say yoga, think of someone in you know, some active were doing some poses. Right, doing some stretching. That's what yoga means. But I think it would be interesting for us to talk about the origin of the word you union and the origin of the word yoga and, and the concept of it. Who wants to start
Julia Malcolmson 19:24
our lovely guests. That doesn't mean I wouldn't put in that point that you made a minute ago about wherever we start from. It's perfect because so many people come to yoga, thinking of just the asana, which is the movement that should the shape that
Martin O'Toole 19:37
I'm create glad you defined us and I was gonna get someone to do that.
Julia Malcolmson 19:41
And I think often that's where you come in from, I think I came in from doing it through a DVD. Someone gave me a DVD. And it was like I remember the guy's name and he was just teaching simple Asana classes and when I've tried it now I remember it being so difficult and I found it when I was visiting my parents and I gave it a go and I say oh my god this used to be so so hard for me. But that pulled me in. And from that moment, I wanted to know more and more and more and more. So whether you come at it from the asana point of view, just the physical practice, which is what most of us think of it as gradually just it like unravels something and you just want to you just find that thread and you want to find out more you want to learn more?
Martin O'Toole 20:19
Yeah, there's certainly nothing wrong with people getting into it for fitness or for, you know, to stretch. I mean, I don't really know what drove what led me to it. Perhaps he was that perhaps he was combining that with going to the gym at the time, and it was a great way to stretch. But yeah, something in me felt a calling to understand more about it. And then I started to learn to meditate. And obviously, it's all part and parcel of the same thing, isn't it? And learning how to breathe?
Julia Malcolmson 20:50
Yeah, sorry, we took that away, asking you a question. And then we just carried on talking. But
Martin O'Toole 20:56
I'd just like to point out that it was you
Audrey Sarquilla 21:01
that's the that's common relationship thing, right.
Martin O'Toole 21:06
And that's okay, because it's our podcast.
Audrey Sarquilla 21:09
It's, do whatever you want. There's no right or wrong, you rumble
Martin O'Toole 21:15
away, baby. But okay.
Audrey Sarquilla 21:20
Well, you know, first of all, I'm no expert. And what I've, what I've learned over the years is that I've had to, that I've unlearned a lot. So coming into yoga, and, and seeing it through one perspective. And I was fortunate to have many different perspectives in in the lineage of Ashtanga Yoga through patottie, Joyce, which is where a lot of our modern postural yoga comes from this as my bhakti yoga teacher says, and calls the modern yoga, this modern postural yoga. And I feel like, like, I never called it that, you know, 30 years ago, but now I see that and, and as I learn more, I'm like, Oh, that makes sense. It's what what one person does of yoga, someone else may think that's not yoga. And one teacher, somewhere will say, this is yoga, and that's not yoga. So with all that said, another teacher of mine, and I like I could name all of their names, but just not taking things is just my own is that when we realise that we are walking paradoxes, literally that we are always in a Yeah, understanding that we are both one thing and another thing, at one time, like can two things be true? And realising that then puts everything in a headstand that you've learned over the years? And then yeah, you start to, for me, the practice of postural yoga was something that brought my physical body into a sense of peace and calm. And then I noticed how it affected my mind. And it started to ease anxiety, I can't say it gets rid of all the anxiety and overwhelm and my mind likes to do its thing, which is think a lot and ramble on inside of there. And so these practice, the practices started to bring body mind, spirit and heart together. And I thought, what is better than this in the world, and so I knew that at a young age, I had to just practice this so much. And the more I practice it and then when I realised I could be a teacher of it, and understand and realise, oh, yoga means union yoking, connecting. Again, it's that feeling I had of connecting my heart, my body, my mind, my spirit. And, and it one point in a lot of the Vedanta studies, which is another path of, of yoga, a very philosophical path, not so much postural path. You know, it was it, it was as much as I practised it at a specific institute in Los Angeles Vedanta Institute. There was no place for me in it, there was it was like only for men, really. And all this and all the study in the scriptures. It says, men were Yogi's, there was no yoginis that I learned about just yet. So I had to seek out a lot of areas that that I actually fit in, to find out what yoga was like, I still feel like in a way, I'm attempting to understand what yoga is. When somebody starts to tell me what they that it is for sure, and it's the right way and that still goes on. There's a part of me that it it doesn't connect with my my truth. It doesn't sound true, it doesn't feel true. And so, you know, I tell people to kind of run away from that. As soon as someone's trying to put a dogma into it, because my, again, what the teachers that I seek out in various lineages, lineages or paths of yoga, or from, you know, lineage of teachers and gurus passing it down, this knowledge down this wisdom down from you know, many years. That's what's led me to bhakti. But bhakti has always been there. It's not it's you know, Bhakti Yoga is the yoga of devotion. Karma is the yoga of, of our work we put our love into our work, Jana yoga is, is the yoga of thought, knowledge, wisdom, we we philosophy, thinking, and all of us have these different ways we connect with the world, so many paths, but understanding which path is right for you. Is is what these teachers, yoga teachers from sages, called rishis, in India are encouraging people to find their path. In Bali, Bali says many, many rivers, many paths all lead to the one only to the Divine, and whatever that divine looks like to you. And some believe it has to be one thing. But maybe they're all right.
Martin O'Toole 26:33
Yeah, thanks for that. And I tend to agree, I think it was Chris, who said a moment ago that there is no right or wrong, I completely agree. And, and I think they're not just with yoga with meditation and, and a lot of I'm gonna say spiritual, but I'm doing air quotes for the for the podcast listeners, spiritual practices, there are some people who who attach dogma to it. And so you can't do it that way. You got to do it this way. And you shouldn't do this. And you should do that. Had a debate with someone not too long ago, about psychedelics. And it was, this was a student of a Qigong teacher, and she was vociferously against the use of psychedelics. She said, that's no, that's not a pattern enlightenment. The only way you can gain a pattern like ministry is through practice. We respectfully disagree. And I think the same can be said with any and all of these practices. And so So with that in mind, there are lots of lots of practices we can get involved in. I had a question for Chris, actually. Because obviously, we it's a we come to do yoga with you every Monday bhakti yoga. Chris plays and sings with you. But do you do you do asanas? You do. Do you do? Do you ever practice?
Chris Sarquilla 27:54
No. No, I go in and out of yoga asana practice. Yeah, I don't think I have the same passion for yoga that Audrey does. But I do have a very strong passion for the search of God. The existence of God, my relationship to God, my connection to God, the universe. And I see yoga as being one of the lenses that that many people have more practising for you meditating for praying for efforting, whatever that looks like. And for some people, that could be Christianity, some people that could be yoga, could be Buddhism could be all sorts of things. And I just somehow find myself circulating in this community. More and more.
Martin O'Toole 28:58
And of course, your I think it's safe to say a dedicated surfer.
Chris Sarquilla 29:03
I am a dedicated surfer. Yeah.
Martin O'Toole 29:05
Well, I was wondering, because I've met a fair few dedicated surfers in this part of the world. And for those listening as you know, or you don't know where you are to the bucket peninsula of Bali and it is absolutely rammed to the rafters with surface because there are some some of the world's best ways here. But what is this connection that surfers have with a spiritual path?
Chris Sarquilla 29:32
Yeah, that's a good question. I wonder if being outside of the direct community surfing community it looks like there's this connection with the surfing community to the spiritual path but being in the surfing community. So many surfers are the worst behaved human beings I've ever met in my entire life. Would you hate it to elaborate including me? myself at times. So one of the one of the conflicts that comes up with surfing, especially here in Uluwatu, let's say you paddle out to do the Watu. And there's 50 to 75 people out there. On average, you know, let's say every five minutes, a set of five waves comes in every time, right? So what is that every, every hour, you know, maybe there's 60 waves, you've got all these people that, that want to surf all the time, it's almost like being in traffic, and never just trying to get somewhere but there's too many cars on the road. And it's taking too long and everybody's getting frustrated. And then, of course, there are rules around surfing, who gets to go, who has the right of way, etc, etc. And those rules can kind of become grey. People start breaking those rules and fights break out, like all the time, whether they're verbal or physical, absolute physical fighting in the water happens. Yeah.
Martin O'Toole 30:56
Well, yeah, you're right, because we because we're not surface, although we are we do keep talking about learning doing it. We've
Julia Malcolmson 31:02
been talking about learning for two years.
Martin O'Toole 31:04
I daresay if anybody's like that we meet in the waves that's gonna bring out some old versions of Marty,
Julia Malcolmson 31:09
I have this romantic idea that you're sort of out there one with the waves, you know, meditating on your surboard.
Chris Sarquilla 31:15
Yeah, I think that exist as well. You know, for me, my favourite thing to do was paddle out around 6am 6:30am In the morning, because nobody else is out there. So I get to be out there at sunrise. There's no wind. The ocean is calm. It's just me in the ocean. Me in the waves and so I can focus on that. As wildlife. We have do gongs all the time and been able to pet some of the do Kong's what on earth is it do? Yeah, it's where they call it a sea sea elephant. Ah, yeah. Or a manatee and some it's some it's some areas and we have a lot of those out here. I didn't know Yeah, plenty of times they've come up, you see him swimming all the time. And plenty of times, they've just kind of circled me, you know, I kind of slowly climb off my board and see if it's okay, and start touching them as they kind of pass by. Yeah, it's it's pretty cool. So for those moments, I am having a beautiful moment in the present. And I celebrate those times. And I really try to avoid crowds. But I bring up the conflict thing, I guess just just to say that yeah, we don't want to romanticise anything. We're all human beings, no matter where we land up. Yeah.
Martin O'Toole 32:27
Yeah, we were talking to Jake Mackenzie. I just had a conversation with him recently, which is just gone live. But we had a conversation with him back in season one, didn't we? Episode 10 for those listeners who don't know I'm talking about and we actually recorded it on the beginning cliffs. So we had the sound of the waves coming in through the whole podcast a really beautiful session because we want a nice terrace on this kind of rickety, Boho Chic cabin thing about me. But he was talking about for him. That experience of oneness. When he's on isn't the waves and it's kind of like it for him. That's how he feels complete to be just to be on the water. But there is a there's a connection across it and then we water with the frequency of water in the water within our bodies.
Chris Sarquilla 33:13
Yeah, I think so. Yeah. I'm always drawn to the water. And if I'm out of the water for I don't know, a week, somewhere between three and five days. Life starts going south.
Martin O'Toole 33:26
Real fast Chris going south. Yeah. to the Bukit. Yeah. And I don't
Chris Sarquilla 33:30
I really can't explain exactly why it is but but really like my my, my energy, my optimism, everything kind of starts going downhill. I really think there's something about water and grounding. And that time spent, you know, being Yeah, being connected to nature.
Martin O'Toole 33:47
So we're not going to see you living in the centre of the island any day soon. No,
Chris Sarquilla 33:52
not like when we moved here. We moved here.
Audrey Sarquilla 33:55
Ubud for a couple years,
Martin O'Toole 33:57
which is in the heart of the island. I don't know Barli. Yeah,
Chris Sarquilla 34:01
I drove to the East Coast almost every morning so it's a it's about a 45 minute drive on a motorbike
Julia Malcolmson 34:08
that's dedication
Chris Sarquilla 34:09
yeah yeah
Audrey Sarquilla 34:11
yeah, he's out of water for a while then it's like babe Are you okay
Martin O'Toole 34:17
Do you surf Audrey
Audrey Sarquilla 34:19
I have I have
Martin O'Toole 34:20
do you have the same connection
Audrey Sarquilla 34:22
when when the conditions are really sweet when the waves are like these baby waves Yeah, when the I mean here with the water beautiful crystal clear and warm I mean, yeah, here it can be amazing baby putting is a little place here baby putting not putting putting tiny little wave and then we went to Lombok few months ago right and had epic waves. So when I get up when I'm on them, I have A blast but it's a it's a lot of work and a lot of dedication to to actually be out there and to actually feel really comfortable in the water in any scenario and I I haven't given up hope yet on it but yeah, it goes through it goes through waves so we'll see what the season if I get back out there.
Martin O'Toole 35:21
Yeah, we I've served on and off for a while, but just on and off. That's the point. I didn't dedicate enough time to it. And also the guys who were teaching me just wanted me to get on with it fairly quickly. So before I knew it, I was I was opinion out there and being in beach, you know, getting smashed to bits by waves that frankly, you know, you don't want to be on when you're still new to surfing. Although I although interestingly, I got obviously you call you got a washing machine when you get when you get stuck on the water. Yeah, yeah, that happened. And actually, if it weren't for my meditation and breath practice, I think I would have had a bit of a shit fit, to be honest. But I managed just to stay really mindful and just, you know, like, do the work and then got out of it. But all I said I've been surfing since
Julia Malcolmson 36:09
thing is the more tired you get the harder that mindfulness is to find
Martin O'Toole 36:13
is when you that's when you go into panic mode.
Chris Sarquilla 36:15
Yeah, and panic mode is by far the most dangerous thing in surfing I've seen I've seen friends do it. I've had moments of panic myself where you're just not thinking straight and you make the worst decision. So a huge part of surfing and especially as things get more critical whether they're really big waves really shallow shallow waves is that you're able to stay calm while getting flipped underwater, you know? 15 times and held down for 1520 seconds.
Martin O'Toole 36:41
Yeah. Scary stuff.
Julia Malcolmson 36:43
Yeah, even you talking about it? Yeah.
Martin O'Toole 36:47
We I'm doing way off piste because we're here to talk about Bakhtin. But we met a lovely French, French and Belgian. Today, very lovely couple who were called Jules and Lauren are Laura. Laura. Anyway, sorry, when you guys probably listening and I've got your name wrong. But they met while they were out in Sumatra. Anyway, she had a big plaster on a on a forehead and so she followed us on Instagram and we followed her back and one of the one of the latest photos is of these three nasty gashes right between her eyes, the third eye, and then the tail. She's got a thin, you know, like a tail on a board like this was like a white shirt, a W shape. And one of them is absolutely dented and to nothing and obviously smashed around the forehead. See a lot of people see a lot of surfers around here. Absolutely covered in cuts and bruises and sort of injured.
Julia Malcolmson 37:42
That's why for me, I'm thinking I want sandy beaches and baby waves. And then I'm fine.
Martin O'Toole 37:47
So we'll find out from you where thay are,
Julia Malcolmson 37:52
shall we return to bhakti?
Martin O'Toole 37:54
Yeah. Can you use your mic? Can
Julia Malcolmson 37:56
Can we return to Bhakto?
Martin O'Toole 37:57
Do it again. Shall we returned bhakti? Audrey I woul dLove it if you would tell us about bhakti. What is bhakti yoga?
Audrey Sarquilla 38:07
Yeah, it's a big it's a big question. It's it's simple, and it's complex and all of it back the is a practice of devotion. And so it can be that simple. But everything that we do. We're practising it with a sense of offering with ritual like we set up this. I don't know if they'll be able to see it. But we even set up like altar pieces here for our space. That intentional, that intentional ritual devotion to God, one thing that becomes I think it's unpopular right now and we could go down such a big rabbit hole and I go over this in my bhakti Academy, and it blows people's minds because it bhakti seems so simple. Okay, love and devotion. Okay, and just practice love and devotion. And yes, there's nine lead, there's these limbs, which are, you know, different pieces and practices, like Patanjali his yoga where many modern postural yoga comes from Patanjali Yoga is there's eight limbs and in bhakti yoga, there's these nine limbs. And one of those limbs is kirtan the practice of kirtan singing devotional names singing in devotion and who are we singing to? are we singing you know for ourselves for performance? are we singing to other people are we singing? For you know, adulation back Are we you know, who are we seeing to are we singing in in in bhakti singing to God goddess divine. And in there are many, many different deities in in, in the Hindu pantheon that that also bhakti yoga To practice and chant to, and, and, in a way ritualize. And it is in that unpopularity I'm talking about is that right now we, we have a wave of a non dual practice. And a non dual practice is where everything's one non dual. But it's interesting because we don't understand really what it's like to be without other. Right that we, we pair, we partner and for the bhakti yogi, who are if it's Krishna, if it's a, if it's a Shakti deity like Durga, or Kali, it's that beloved, which is who we sing to Bhagavad Tae, you know, Bhagavan, that beloved Divine is, is who the bhakti acts, the bacta. So, Bhakti is the practice bacter is the person practising the bhakti. And the buck the is, is, is desiring to even not look for enlightenment, this becomes like a big unpopular thing, or even, I don't want to say unpopular, but, but I find that we, we think of even yoga as a one way and it, because bringing yoga to the west, they had a there was this idea that, you know, they wanted to integrate it into religions, in the West, whether it's Christianity or Judaism, whatever that is. Again, this is my limited understanding of the history, but really digging deep into the rabbit holes with many different teachers. And, and attempting to understand, you know, why it is we think, the way we think and the beliefs that we have with it. So again, the back though, wants to connect with that divine love. So we find that divine partner, who was it that said, you don't need to go to India to find a guru, just look, look at your partner, they will share, they will enlighten all of the shit you need to learn. And so I always remember that and no people make fun of that, like, was Chris, your guru, or whatever? I'm like, Well, yeah, I mean, you know, in that sense that we're all each other's teachers, when we look at what guru means. And for those that don't know what guru means guru means, well, one, its teacher, but two, it's the one who shines the lightness on the shadows. They're like enlightened, enlightened, our view and our path. So, So bhakti is a practice of love and devotion. And it is the easiest of all the Yoga is the easiest of all the yoga has in one way. And, you know, Kirtan, which is what also brought us all together because it brings communities together. And the one thing with bhakti yoga is that's very unique is it they talk about sadhu sanga and sadhu sanga is that we want to bring our community together, we want to be in friendships. Whereas if you think about yoga and the meditator Shiva, that alone in the, you know, the Himalayas, sitting there meditating and trying to be, you know, become one with the void, more the bliss or the cosmos, where in bhakti yoga, it's like, No, everything is the Sangha, the Sangha, the community, the family. So, like anything to describe, to describe something that is a practice that is an embodiment, I find more and more challenging, but attempting to use as much words as we can, on a podcast on a podcast, without giving too many fancy words and then breaking them down and making it not sound so cheesy, or like pompous in a way of using too many Sanskrit words, because I love the Sanskrit words. And I think they have they do have power in their energy and how they move through the body, the more I study it, but, but we can also look at these things as very simple.
Martin O'Toole 44:19
I think it's like any language isn't it is the words are spells. Yes. And it's the intention you put behind those words. That's the point doesn't matter. If we spoke like that horny cat in the background. There's that category. If I really meant it, then I believe anyway, that the power is still there.
Julia Malcolmson 44:41
Yeah. And for me, yoga was about community. Obviously bhakti really brings it together. I remember when I finally got rid of the DVD and went to actual classes, I found the most incredible community. And so for me, it's always been about that, like when I've moved around the world I've always wanted to seek out people to practice with and to study with
Audrey Sarquilla 45:00
And it's not one or the other, you can practice your bhakti along with your asanas. Like you when you come to bhakti flow, right? We're intentionally moving, maybe it's that spark from our hearts. It's offering up the prayer intention to the ground. It's, it's not just, you know, our is my butt tighter or my you know, as my handstand taller or longer. You know, it's, it's, um, those are great things, too. And I enjoy both of those. Yeah, but um, you know, and I think one of the things and Chris and I were talking about this, it's like, in all of this yoga stuff, to not take ourselves too seriously. Because that's the trap.
Martin O'Toole 45:43
So many people do know they practice people who practice yoga. I am not sure if that's the same the world over I've no doubt it is. But there are a fair amount of people like that in in Bali, but we had this conversation on several episodes is this idea of people on their path to enlightenment on their journey. And it's quite easy for, for for people to find whatever it is, whatever that jam is, that really works for them, but then they embody it as an identity. I'm considerably more spiritual than you. And the respectfully that means they're not quite there. In my in my opinion, I think I did a little bit yeah, Ram Dass did it. I was talking about Ram Dass quite a lot. It was a Ram Dass who said that thing, by the way, about gurus sounds like a Ram Dass sort of remember, around us talked about how he got carried away with being around us in the early days in the early days. And he realised, actually it was it was just another stage of evolution for him. You know, this whole he got lost in his own spiritualized identity.
Audrey Sarquilla 46:47
Chris described this really well. You want to describe it the in being in on it? Yeah.
Chris Sarquilla 46:52
Yeah, a friend. And I got into a deep discussion about this. And we have a very similar background. So my background, partly comes from deep Christianity. Christian leadership, Christian worship leader.
Audrey Sarquilla 47:07
What's a worship leader?
Chris Sarquilla 47:09
You know, playing guitar standing in front of standing in front of a group of people and a mic and singing and Luigi?
Martin O'Toole 47:13
Yeah, I see it on the TV. Yeah.
Chris Sarquilla 47:18
And same with my friends. So we have this, we have this common background where, over time, we also became very disillusioned with Christianity was done. We stepped away from it. And you know, became independent thinkers. Then we've moved to Bali gotten steeped, you know, and say this community. And
Audrey Sarquilla 47:35
yeah, we didn't happen just like that. Right. That happened a long time. Yeah.
Chris Sarquilla 47:37
That's, that's a real quick history.
Martin O'Toole 47:42
My arm Lord.
Chris Sarquilla 47:46
So we started asking the question, like, what do you think? Do you think some of the people in our community, the leaders in our community are are in on it? Like, are they in on it? Meaning? Do they get it meaning like, are that that they're, we're all just humans trying to figure it out? There's nobody is greater than than anybody else. And then he brought this point up, he's like, Oh, my gosh, Chris, there's, there's these cards. They made these cards in a book these what kind of cards it is, if this spiritual celebrity Yeah, kind of the spiritual celebrities. I've seen these guys. Yeah. And we know a lot of these people. And we just had this, this moment of, of landing of like, oh, my gosh, are these are these people? Like all of us equal, including, including us? And us talking about ourselves? are? Are they in on it? Like, do they see these cards with a smile? Like he somebody made a card? Okay, cool. That's funny, or is this like some sense of arriving for them? Like, I made the deck, you know, thing? And? Yeah. And so I've been having that conversation with a lot of people that's like, get to know people and feel a little safer, especially in leadership, leadership roles. Yeah. And some people understand the concept of are you in on it? And some people get very defensive.
Martin O'Toole 49:07
Well, and that's human as well, isn't it? But that's it, you go. And we're talking about ego now, aren't we? That's the whole point of parcel of it. If you're left out or not on these cards, how do we get on these cards?
Audrey Sarquilla 49:19
We're gonna make cards for you. Let's make some cards, you'll have headphones. Because it's also just representation of the play in the Leela and the fun and if, and that's the whole thing. It's more like, can we look at it as the fun and for me, I'm like, Oh, my God, because I think I was like, Oh, my God, I know her. I know. I know her. Like, I love them. And at the same time, we also get it because for me, it's like, I know when I have not been in on it or not, not, let's say be affected by how other people put you in a position or project and this is a big thing, like people don't know. They don't know you as an individual or as a you know, I mean, and how you are in your relationship and you have hard times good times all of it like it's the it's the, it's the beauty of of life, right? It's all of it. It's not just all unicorns and rainbows, right? We say we say this a lot. And but yeah, that idea of how seriously do we take ourselves? Can we play even when we're holding like the most sacred ceremony, whether it's cacao or tea, or some other plant medicine, and just really have reverence for that, but also be like, and we're all human, and we're all equal, and no one's above us. And I think that's a huge, that's just a huge thing to listen to
Martin O'Toole 50:42
something you have to learn, isn't it? And it comes back to what you said earlier on, about a guru. By the way, I see you as my guru.
Julia Malcolmson 50:53
And I see you as mine.
Martin O'Toole 50:57
We're not joking, because I don't know where who said it, or where I pick this up. But we are all teachers, and we are all learners. And she was John Butler, who said to me the other week, or reminded me that we were talking about the concept of impermanence. And knowledge, is just another thing that is subject to impermanence, because everything in the universe is so what we know today, we might change our opinion, tomorrow, or we might know more the day after, and we might know more 10 years later. So I think I don't know, I certainly went through this phase when because I this whole journey for me has been a very compact journey of okay, I've spent 44 years you know, self sabotaging self suffering, destroying this that near the nearly killing myself, alcoholism, addiction, so on and so forth. So when I came here and started doing the work, it was intense work. I didn't do any other job. I just spent a year just doing the work and it was quite monastic. And I think there was probably a there were a moment or two where I probably got a bit cocky about it. You know, yeah, I'm spiritual. I know some stuff. I know more than you do, or I know something you don't know. Thankfully, part of that process was learning to analyse my to be aware of my thoughts and words. So very quickly, I started having conversations with myself where I was berating myself for having these thoughts. But then I would berate myself or berating myself. Because I don't judge, you can't judge yourself. Who are you to talk? Well, I'm just saying, Okay, that's a fair point. I'll take it under advisement from myself.
Julia Malcolmson 52:45
You're in a good space. Now, though. I always admire how you, you're so eager to keep learning and to admit when you don't know something? Yeah. You know, like, some people will say, Oh, do you know that? You're very like, you just absorbing things? And openly? No, I haven't heard of that before, or I want to know more. And it's refreshing to see that
Martin O'Toole 53:03
as part of this was part of the point of this podcast is to add, because I think the earlier part of the podcast was okay, this is breathwork. I've done some of that. So we can talk about it. This is actually we didn't do anything in breathwork. But you know what I'm saying this is this is Ayahuasca, I've done a lot of that, so I can talk about that. But I think now we're into the realms of having conversations where our listeners are learning as much as I am about this stuff. And that's, you know, I like that. And I've got no problem whatsoever in saying I know nothing. I know nothing. Even the things I know about I know nothing about them. But if you do ask Martin version 1.0 He would have been like, Shut up on everything. be talking about
Audrey Sarquilla 53:45
amazing you can find, you know, your spirituality or your connection to God anywhere. And one thing I think Chris is Chris is very humble in a lot of ways. I would, I would naturally say he's, he's my you know, he's that that Yogi inherently without being a yogi without you know, again, I'm probably I'm putting words in your mouth you talk about this better but the idea of like, even having a specific belief system around God for him, his is your nature. We were talking about meditation I remember we got a fight in India about meditation. Yeah, really fight in India in one of the taxis in like, literally in the Himalayas, like, like, what's meditation do and he said this, and I'm like, No, that's not for me. Like, that's not like, I can't like that. No, and we just, we like, we like Duggan and we're like, we're mad at each other. And I'm like, it's so funny that we're fighting about meditation, like, like you're doing it wrong. You're doing it wrong. And like I just the hilarity of of it all. And it's like, what is the point of all this, which is why you're doing this podcast, right? Like how, where you can cut it out. happiness, contentment connected, how much do we love? And again, that's why in my 30 years of practice, like, ending an ending, or it's not, it's never an ending, but I don't want to die tomorrow. But the, the, the, like resting in this comfort to me of of bhakti is because it's so simple love, and how loving can I be. And so, my original before the tangent I just went on about us arguing about meditation was about Chris's connection to spirituality that I always admired, because the conversation we would have would be very organic about his surfing. And when he would talk about connecting to the waves and so he's also what I noticed about him, he's humble, and he talks about the reality of things that a lot of people don't want to talk about, because they want to talk about the fluffy part. And that feels really good. But then there's this other part too. And so we, we, I always admire that about him, like being able to share all the parts of things without so we're not we're not afraid of looking at our shadows and our and our deep chit you can say shit on here, right? You can um, but our but our deep stuff. And so I think you you even sharing about your spirituality with your surfing, that's always been like something that you've been so drawn to naturally. And I know, that's intense out there,
Chris Sarquilla 56:29
too. But yeah, yeah.
Martin O'Toole 56:33
So you've had an interesting evolution, though, in spiritual terms, Chris, I was an altar boy. I was I was a Catholic. And funnily enough, I've met more lapsed Catholics and have Catholics I think these days, but I'm not dissing the Catholic Church. By the way, obviously, there depends on where you are, and which which country you are, there are still piles and piles of very devoted Catholics. But I wondered if you had a similar journey to me. So I was a head altar boy, and I was the lead soprano in the choir. When we sang the Christmas carols, you know, once in royal David's city, I couldn't possibly make that falsetto noise anymore. Because obviously, things happen to boys voices out there.
Chris Sarquilla 57:11
Thank God, yes. Royal there
Martin O'Toole 57:14
was David to defy it from the choir. But I fell out with organised religion, because I felt as though I'd had it sort of rammed down my throat. Because of all the dogma, and because it certainly was, I was the Catholicism, the olden days, and because I'm old enough to have had an Irish priest shouting about the Old Testament, you know, don't do this. And you will do that. And if you normally do go to hell, and if you don't do that, you'll go to hell, all roads lead to hell. I wondered if you'd if you'd had a similar relationship with Christianity, which was what put you off it. But then, you know, what was your journey from that to then?
Chris Sarquilla 57:58
Yes, it's similar for me. I was raised Catholic. And, yeah, with my family, I remember going to Catholic Church and I could wrap it all up into this goddess pist. Got it shot as pissed off and you better not do anything to piss him off anymore, or you're going to hell,
Martin O'Toole 58:16
wrath. Wrath. Wrath is a word I hear a lot.
Chris Sarquilla 58:19
And so around middle school, I found a friend took me to non denominational Christian church, they had a skate park skate park in the back. Some of the leaders were ex pro surfers are cool, it was kind of cool. And it had a very different energy about it still very much Bible based, but much more open, accepting, regular talk, you know, and I was really drawn to it at the time. I think at my youth, I was a pretty angry kid. And I needed a place that I could trust, you know, so partly what you get with the Bible is, you do get a book of rules to live by, and everybody's got to live by them. So it's a bit safe. And I really adopted that at the time. In fact, when I was in high school, I became a middle school group leader, you know, like teaching teaching out of the Bible. When I went to college, I became a high school group leader, and eventually, one of the music leaders at the church and I was a pretty big church. Yeah, but over time, I think just just through thought, and prayer and the search for God and the search for the truth. You know, one of my prayers, it just comes to me every few months is, you know, no matter what, no matter what the risk is, I want to know, and I feel like through that process, a lot of things about my relationship with the Christian church started to break down where I realised I was just there because I was afraid. I was there because I wanted to follow a group and not be accountable for my own choices. I'm, I was there because I wanted to be right. And I wanted to criticise the rest of the world who are being wrong. And all of those ideas started breaking down. For me, and eventually, yeah, eventually, I just made a decision, you know, and it was hard at the time because I was married first marriage, and I was kind of through the church, and my entire community of friends, and a lot of my family and everything were there. And I just realised that I still believed in God, and I still believed in spirit. But that this wasn't it for me anymore. And so I stepped out. Yeah, it was really tough. It was both difficult and empowering. Because now was just on my own. My, my search for God was fully mine, it was fully free. It was experiential, based on, you know, my, my interactions with the world and what came back to me. Yeah, and I found that to be much more powerful than accepting somebody else's belief systems or a book, you know, and even now, even even in the yoga world, in any any world where there's maybe a pre existing belief system, I'm hesitant or really thoughtful before I adopt anybody's beliefs, even at the end of yoga class, where somebody may say, Okay, now, you know, sit up, right, and put your hands together in prayer. Like, I generally will not put my hands together in prayer. That's mine, that's mine to decide, unless I was already about to do it anyway. That's for me to decide. That's for my expression to God. It's personal. It's not just for somebody else to kind of take me by the hand and, and tell me what to do. Because I've done it before. Yeah, so that's a powerful thing for me.
Martin O'Toole 1:01:45
Thanks for that. It's good share. It's a funny thing, religious interpretation of God and goodness. And notice this dogma that comes with it, I think it's the Bible that says that Jesus said, wherever one person or more gather in my name, I won't be there. I was just talking about God. Yet, you know, a few 1000 years down the line, we've been told if you don't go to church by certain faiths, and I'm not saying everybody's got that vibe, but if you don't go to your place of worship once a week at a certain time, and do all of these things, and you are risking the the future health of your soul. You know, I'm fairly outspoken on this podcast, so I can't possibly say that I, I respect everyone's truth. That's the fundamental point. So if that is your belief, then I love you for it. And, you know, good luck with all of that. And I don't mean to sound sarcastic, even though I know that did. But for me, it's at odds. You know, it's at odds with the very concept. I've always thought there's a there's no coincidence that God and good two words, were just one hour missing, right? And so I even though I fell out with Christianity, and the concept of God, actually, for a while I was atheist. I still fundamentally believe that if you are good, and I don't mean like, there's good or bad or wrong or right, you know, you don't have to try to live your life in the right way, then you're hopefully doing the right the right thing. But what is the right thing? And what's the wrong thing?
Julia Malcolmson 1:03:23
A big, big question on me. There's no There's no wrong there's no right.
Chris Sarquilla 1:03:30
Oh, teach us, Jules, tell us
Martin O'Toole 1:03:35
this conversation.
Julia Malcolmson 1:03:37
I want to say I'd love what you said a minute ago, because I think it's really important for us to question. It's so easy for us to be told something by someone we deemed to be a guru, or our teacher and we just lap it up without any question and think, to take a pause. And either do your own research also really, like sit with it? And look into it. It's important.
Chris Sarquilla 1:03:58
Yeah. And it might not my concern is not that I might be wrong. Or that I might be led astray. But it's a thought I might miss something. You know, if I adopt a belief system, I might, I might miss something. Because I think if something is bad or good, or I think I need to be spending my time doing XYZ and not the other. Yeah, I really feel that there is something on the path for me in this life, and that I'm responsible for it. And so it's, it's for me to be on the lookout of, you know, all that I can experience along the way and not and not put blinders on and I definitely spent a significant part of my life with those blinders on.
Martin O'Toole 1:04:47
I'm vibing with what you're saying that I've gone from being Catholic to atheist to now picking wisdom and truths from from everything. Have you heard of shamanism? I think I have organism essentially believes that there is no one religion is the truth, but there is truth in all religions. Again, I don't want to put a label on myself, I don't want to identify even as a novelist. But if I had to if I had to put a pin on it, I'd say that that was the space I was in because on the one hand, you know, there's some wonderful teachings in Christianity. Some incredible parables that teach us some these metaphors that teaches some cool stuff about life. But then I love reading about Buddhism and learning about what the Buddha had to say. I'm learning more about Hinduism really jamming with that even some parts of Judaism I'm reading a book on hermetic principles right now. Which is well it's another podcast the pine is actually having because I was a very doable person I was either wrong or right. Usually I was always right. And now actually realising that the no one is right or wrong and there are multiple truths to everything I think that's perhaps certainly for me that works right we're gonna hear you guys do a song then we'll come back
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Martin O'Toole 1:10:37
Wow, that was pretty epic. Thanks, guys.
Julia Malcolmson 1:10:40
Yeah, thank you.
Martin O'Toole 1:10:44
Now then, as you know, we have a segment on the how to die happy podcast, otherwise known as Be my guest, and then be my guest. We invite our audience members to record some questions. And we have two such things for you, presently. So I'm just going to go ahead and play them. Boy.
Chris Sarquilla 1:11:05
Do we get to know who asked these questions?
Martin O'Toole 1:11:08
Yeah. Who are the questions from?
Julia Malcolmson 1:11:11
a lovely lady called Daniella? She actually lives in Bali. That she's originally from Germany.
Martin O'Toole 1:11:18
Yeah. wonderful, smooth tones of Mr. Dwayne forest.
Chris Sarquilla 1:11:44
I was gonna ask if that was, you
Martin O'Toole 1:11:45
no, your not the first person to ask that and so thank you know, it's somebody infinitely more musically talented than I is a chap we met in Turkey, dear friend, is a lovely, lovely, lovely man. Egg dreads and the one of the most enchanting smiles you can possibly be lucky enough to witness and almost hear it in his voice. Yeah, well, he did it how to die happy theme tune as well. And he's actually going to record some more songs for us. So, you know, more reasons for you to keep listening. Question one.
1:12:23
My question to you, what means devotion to you? And how do you place it in a daily life routine? And is there any prior prioritising in case of relationship for yourself work and all these parts of life?
Martin O'Toole 1:12:46
Thank you, Daniela. What a great question was that? You know, that noise? It just happened there. Was that what was that? That somebody's pump or something?
Audrey Sarquilla 1:12:54
I don't know.
Julia Malcolmson 1:12:56
In the recording or in the recording like it's in the recording call or something.
Martin O'Toole 1:13:02
didn't pick up on that. Anyway. Thanks, Daniela. What you got for Daniella?
Audrey Sarquilla 1:13:07
Okay, hopefully remember it? Did you write that down? What's devotion?
Chris Sarquilla 1:13:14
What does that mean to you and how do you prioritise it?
Audrey Sarquilla 1:13:17
And in relationships, something
Julia Malcolmson 1:13:18
about relations within within like relationships work sort of interested generally in your day? I imagine.
Martin O'Toole 1:13:26
I could play again.
Audrey Sarquilla 1:13:27
That's okay. I'm I'm just taking a pause. I'm taking that Eckhart pause but we'd be here forever if I took that long of a pause Thank you, Daniela for that question. Devotion to me really strikes a place deep in my heart. It it becomes a feeling and it can start with a thought. But most of the time, it it can be come from my experience of awe. In my daily life. It's a practice so the practice of sitting in love and gratitude for all that I have in my life. How I prioritise devotion. One of the things is you know, to lead with value and love, especially in in work. And for me, that's why this, this practice of yoga and In bhakti, yoga, it's, you know, it's I'm just drawn to it. And I have been drawn to it. I love seeing other people loving themselves. I love seeing other people loving themselves and being inspired to love themselves and to inquire about what it means to love themselves his ego the questions that I've asked myself, like, I love God, I loved God, since I was very little like I would have prayers and rituals, since I was very little memorise the books of the Bible, Christian was the path that Catholicism and Christianity was my path as well, when I was introduced to by my family, and school. And, and then when I, when I found out when I was in my very early 20s, after I was practising yoga for a while that I, I heard a swami say, in the temple, I heard him say, you know, when, when Christian children are asked where God is, you know, they all pointed upwards to the sky. And, and when when Hindu children were asked where God was, they all pointed at their heart. And I just, I blew into a million pieces just listening to that.
Martin O'Toole 1:16:23
Beautiful, thank you for sharing that. You make an interesting point we do. As Christian types do see God up in the sky, don't we? And of course, they also say in the Bible, God's everywhere. Question number two.
1:16:43
Hey, my question to you is to both of you how does it affect your bond, to work together to have a mission together or a vision, a shared vision that you will follow and that you work on? And on which level? Does this level? Actually does this affect your relationship and your your bond? Is it more paying on the bigger picture? Or is it also sometimes hard to keep the romantic part is if there's also a strong, maybe business part together?
Martin O'Toole 1:17:27
What a great question with levels of complexity. So your mission, what do you have a mission together? And what do you think she's referring to? I think she's referring to their work together in Bakhtin. And Kirtan,
Julia Malcolmson 1:17:44
because you come together regularly? So you support each other and what you're doing the mission together?
Martin O'Toole 1:17:52
So how does that vibe How was the dynamic? Do you want to start with? Is it all sweetness in the roses? It's so sweet.
Chris Sarquilla 1:18:00
Oh, my God. Yeah, we could, we could go down that road. That'd be fun. But no, the reality is Audrey and I are such opposites in life. And yeah, I think what comes with that, in my opinion, is utmost attraction. Both visually, experientially, emotionally. And then total, repel, repelling, repulsion and falschen, I think, thank you, at the same time, at times, like you never know what's going to bubble up. At any given time, I'm very much what I think is a realist and objectivist. And I do like to unbury the rotten poop in the yard.
Martin O'Toole 1:19:00
been incredible. For the downsides to relationship, something smells
Chris Sarquilla 1:19:05
wrong, let's dig into it. Whereas, whereas Audrey in my opinion, is is very much positive, focused. She's a risk. He's a big risk taker. She knows she knows what she wants to do what she wants to share. She wants to share her heart. Without question, what does that even mean? What does that even mean to share your heart? Yeah, and I think she's very, very, very successful on that path. So to answer the question, we're a very lively couple. We're full of energy. We're both we're both. We're both all in to the joy of it. And we're all in to the heavy philosophical debates. You know, we'll we'll even indulge in the In, in, you know, in the healthy anger at the time that comes up that comes up over it well indulge in expressing our attachment to our own beliefs, like arguing over meditation, and call it and calling it out and laughing at the same time. Yeah, it's just falling over laughing Yeah, but we're, I think, I think we're full on energetic couple and all those things. Yeah,
Audrey Sarquilla 1:20:26
I, I mean, you, you said it perfectly we, we engage. And, you know, Chris and I have been together for two decades, almost two decades, we met when we were 30, turning 31, something like that. And, you know, we're almost 50
Martin O'Toole 1:20:48
Incidentally, is just ridiculous. Nearly 50 live, what moisturiser you're using, we need the secrets in my life.
Audrey Sarquilla 1:21:03
And, and we've never shied away from well, never is such a strong word. But we we attempt not to shy away from things. And we've, I think the crazy situation where in the past two years really brought out a lot of intensity for everybody. And I would say it was the best and the most intense year not, you know, I don't wanna say worse. But I think that it was very hard for many people and some of the toughest times. But I think, US evaluating what we're doing on our PPE, I'm very clear in that, that is, that's, I'm i, because I'm very clear, and I know what I want and what I want to do and share. And I see things I think I have a constant spidey sense and intuition that just like I see things, I see things visually. It's something that, like, I, I feel like I can see some things before it happens even and I know it and that isn't, isn't easy for anyone sometimes. And so I think we've had some really hard times too, with, you know, just completely different personalities as well. But that's what also brings us together because if he was me, I Yeah, and if I was him, his personality, we wouldn't deal with each other. So when, when we're really good, I think that we we come together, and one of the places we come together so well is when we're sitting down with our instruments and singing, it's like, it's like we could be we could have a total Tiff and like fight about something, and then we'd sit down at Cure done, especially when we were playing so much together. You know, before these past couple years, you know, for public to like, like, you know, we just get together and it's like everything after seeing mantras, like we don't even remember, we're just like a puddle together. We're just like, oh, and it really does shift our energy. So we it's like, these practices happen almost. They just the practices are and then whatever state we're in, we we find our way back. And but yeah, these past couple years, we've questioned a couple times, like should we be working together almost like we're not working together ever. You know, and we're not offering things together. And yeah, that's too tough on on a couple to me. We're, we're locked in cages. Not quite here. But we were locked in the past couple years. So but yeah, to her to her question. It's not all roses, for you know, no matter what you see, I can't speak to other people's relationships that are that, that people witness that, that share yoga together or share a path together. But it's it's definitely Chris. Chris likes to be invited in but not forced in. And when I invite Him in. He's, he's most of the time very receptive, you know, 99.9% of the time, but if if he's, he's a class, well, I was gonna say go to astrology say classically, oh, but if I tell him something, and likewise, like, what do you say, if I tell you something, you'll do the exact opposite. So we have these, we have very strong personalities, the both of us.
Martin O'Toole 1:24:22
Thanks for that. That was two really great shares. I mean, I can't speak for anybody else. But I'll speak for us. In as much as we're told total opposites. Are we? Yeah, like, you need clarity. Yeah, but then for so much of my life. I thought you didn't need that. But you needed someone who, you know, shared all the same interests. And from my perspective, obviously, that didn't work out. But we have this incredible bond, which is the same. So on the one hand, we spend and massive amount of time together and of course, as we're going Anyone else in the world we were locked down. I think we were lucky because we, when we met, we we moved in together really quickly anyway. And like all we, we lived on a place on the beach, up north, north of Santo. So it's really quiet. But the the waves were just constantly, you know, in an hour right next to the house. So it's a very chill place was quite big. And, and I was writing and you were doing your thing. So actually, we really were already sort of locked down and then the lockdown didn't actually affect us. But I think we have a very similar relationship and as much as we were intentionally together a lot. And of course, now we're doing the podcast together as well. But then there are times when, you know, show the same going to over over it for a week. You know, or I'll just, you know, I'll just I'll probably plan more time into work. So I'm just in the spare bedroom for a few nights, you know, works. Yeah. The point is, nobody's relationships, sweetness and roses. And actually, if anybody's got that impression, I don't know how you know, perhaps is, perhaps this because of this day and age with these digital devices. And we see people living their best life and I'm doing air quotes for those of you listening, that's an expression I found particularly look some. Because there is no such thing as having 100% happy all the time relationship is there. But I think the point is that you can recognise one another's humanity. And you can have an argument about meditation. But then five minutes later, you're apologising. And you're laughing about it. What's the point, isn't it? You know that I can be an absolute asshole to you. But then she doesn't need to to get an apology from me. This offered nice off very quickly, usually, because I'm I'm already helicopter and over myself go in a cab lead. You're saying that showed up? I'm having an argument. Yeah. I mean, you really don't want to talk like that's not you as seriously, I can't have this conversation with you right now. I'm trying to be a dick.
Julia Malcolmson 1:27:03
But also, I know you well enough to know, what's behind it normally. So it doesn't really bother me does it? Because I know exactly what's going on.
Martin O'Toole 1:27:10
But I think you know, the key is communication.
Audrey Sarquilla 1:27:14
Absolutely.
Julia Malcolmson 1:27:15
I think maybe I don't know, if you were getting it this way. I'm gonna say it anyway. But often for me, it's letting him find his way to the answer.
Martin O'Toole 1:27:25
listened to her. I'm gonna do it my way anyway, because of
Julia Malcolmson 1:27:29
that kind of intuition. And that, I've seen this. I felt this. I know that. But just letting that be. Maybe find your way to that same space, and then we're there together.
Martin O'Toole 1:27:40
Yeah. And thankfully, I find it a lot quicker than I used to do. It used to take me years. Now it might take me a day or so. But, but that's the masculine and feminine. Isn't it a work? That's right, perfectly natural.
Audrey Sarquilla 1:27:50
It's an interesting thing to be in relationship for a long period of time. And Esther Perel talks a lot about this, about creating a life story. When you're creating a life story with someone, how do you, you know, what are what are the ways to stay both in mystery, and in knowing each other, we know each other so well, but we also want mystery. And so this, this dance and this balance between, you know, being able to look at Chris in a way that maybe when he's sharing, like he shared on Where did you share your story on the cosmic way, or the cosmic whale? Yeah, when he shared his story and being able to witness his journey and that that massive, impactful, you know, spiritual experience he had in front of all these people, knowing for him that that that was a big stretch and reach and just being like, like falling in love again, with that person up there that that person to see him in, in someone else's eyes versus the guy weak guy wake up with every morning and I love and, you know, sweetly we drink our coffee or tea together and, you know, give kisses and how is your, you know, night sleeping, and then, you know, you go on with your day and, and, you know, but like really looking at him in a light that that I did, you know, 20 years ago. And so that is a practice to like, it's easy to get into a routine, and stay and that's also beautiful and safe and sacred and wonderful. But having having that and seeing each other in those lights is is a huge aspect of re remembering that that love that you share with each other and that you know not expect not just knowing what he's going to say right away, and be like, oh god, he's gonna say this when I say this, and then I'm going to say this and I have the whole conversation worked out already. And I'm going to be like, boom, you know, and and that can be how our, you know, our habits
Martin O'Toole 1:29:59
can Become predictable. We often pluck thoughts out of one of those is really cool. And then I legitimately believe that is telepathy. No, you just go. Yeah, I say something and she just starts tittering. Just pull that out of your head. Isn't it interesting you something you said? Before I started Wittering on? I think there's something beautiful for a couple when they can create together as well. And I know it's a cliche, but it's something that couples who play together, stay together. And
Julia Malcolmson 1:30:35
you're like doing this together. It's been great. It's done, mainly because when I was supporting you sort of more admin side, like the kind of assistant producer, but I'm booking guest Yeah. And then I became the co host, but you were spending so much time on the podcast, that actually, I never really would have seen him had we not decided to do it together. Because a lot of it meant, you know, packing up the car and going on trips. We went to Oberlin did a session and we've been to so many places, and it's been great doing that as a team.
Martin O'Toole 1:31:04
Yeah. And I think also we've we've we've evolved as a as a as a couple of hosts together co hosts together and that can't help but positively affect your relationship. Right.
Julia Malcolmson 1:31:15
And with polarities there is also when, when there's technical issues, when it's the two of us, I definitely like I calm the situation and can like see the the way to fix something. Yeah, but you're so you're so the podcast, you just want it to work, don't you? So we've got this nice little balance with it.
Martin O'Toole 1:31:35
Yeah. And they've been podcast we've done before where Jesus said, Okay, before we start recording, let's just do some Korea's horse, you know, some breath work. Sure. So yeah, you know, I'm fine with that. And then with the whole beautiful, complementary aspects to relationships, there's devotion to one another in that regard, isn't it? Absolutely. If we're to have a relationship that generally works, genuinely works, and we've got to accept the very dog poo as much as we do. As much as we do the roses.
Audrey Sarquilla 1:32:06
We are definitely opposites on a lot.
Martin O'Toole 1:32:10
Sami nose and a dog poo and roses. country songs that
Chris Sarquilla 1:32:15
is that our band name .
Martin O'Toole 1:32:18
And now headlining the Hollywood bonus, dog poo in residence.
Chris Sarquilla 1:32:24
You wouldn't forget that name.
Martin O'Toole 1:32:27
I don't think I ever will. So before you play us out, we need to talk about kirtan because we haven't now I'm going to start this by explaining to anybody who's seen Eat Pray Love. There's a scene where James Franco and Julia Roberts are so loved up any any interview, he interviews a Blood and Sand. He was the one I'm looking for invites. No, I know what I was gonna say. And James Franco introduces her to the concept of this guru and in some sort of Indian spiritual vibe, and then of doing and go into kirtan Does anybody remember that? And I remember watching that and going, what the hell is going on there? I didn't get it. genuinely didn't get it, then fast forward to a few months ago. 2022 and I'm in your living room. And as big house by the way, everyone's not like, you know, we're all stuffed into this tiny room. And we're doing kitten, and I gotta say, absolutely blew me away. I was I was converted the moment I did it. So what on earth is kirtan
Audrey Sarquilla 1:33:46
get done is a is a Sanskrit word for it can be translated to story storytelling. And it is a practice of call and response in singing. So kirtan does not work without other people in the room singing otherwise, you're you're just performing like a rock concert, which is not what I'm interested in. Maybe one day when we have dog poo and roses. But it is it's a it's a facilitation of bringing people together and ecstatically. Sharing emotions of devotion, emotions of devotion, emotions of devotion, you know, the ocean of devotion, and moving and singing through that. All of it, all of it, the happy, the sad, The Good, the Bad, all of it, and why? It's great to hear you know that word converted. It's slightly He scares me or I cringe a little bit when I hear converted, because, you know, converting anyone isn't isn't and I know you're facetious with it absolutely but but the idea that if if you're hooked, then then I feel like that's it like like your your heart that the hope is that you're hooked to your own voice and singing with singing with other people and we use this word a lot in yoga right like minded people but but literally finding your sadhu sanga, you found in a room where no one is on any intoxication, maybe cacao which has, you know,
Martin O'Toole 1:35:43
openings.
Audrey Sarquilla 1:35:46
And, but it is it's a practice of chanting the names, or have mantras, names of gods. But it doesn't have to be just that. But it's chanting to the divine essence, and really uncovering that place in our hearts. Like, who are we seeing too? And that that's what I'll tear me up sometimes because the teachers that have said, like, oh, you know, when they're when you you see somebody really singing, it has nothing, it's like singing to God. There. It has nothing to do with how they sound, how they're playing, but with the absolute pure absorption into their own blissful devotion. And that's in that that's cured Thun. So you know, whether it's 10 people gathering or 100 people gathering, that practice of connecting with each other. And we've, we've had, I've had the experience I know Chris has to and I can let him speak for himself that I love going to kirtan to, especially kirtan where I'm able to sing where I'm able to release all the thoughts and the judgments I have about myself and everything going around me and to do lists and to solely and completely it's it's it's a moving dancing, singing meditation.
Martin O'Toole 1:37:17
It's an immersion isn't it?
Audrey Sarquilla 1:37:18
Yeah, abs it's completely immersive. It's, it's absurd. It absorbs you. Right? You get absorbed in your voice you get absorbed in, in the sounds, you get out of your head. Yeah, and we're so many people are craving that so that's the experience that I love hearing. It's really challenging for me to hear a lot of times like well, you guys sounded good or you did you did this I'm like, sure my ego sometimes it mean of course, it enjoys that but the but then that just makes me self conscious. And I have to have to work on that. That's my that's my own work. But the the really exciting shares for me are when people say wow, I have never felt my heart explode. Never like that. I have never cried and laughed and felt so so many emotions all at once. I've never it like the experience that people share in kirtan it's like, again, I'm just reminded that okay, if this is possible to do this with people, then then I have to keep doing it. And that's what keeps driving me to to share it.
Martin O'Toole 1:38:26
Yeah, yeah, it's interesting point you made there because I don't see is the you guys show? I think we produce it. The point you lead it absolutely. And provide the beating drum and the, you know, the harmonium provide the music and the lead vocals, but then there is the it's a community it's unique consciousness actually, in vocal terms. And that's exactly how I feel about it is and I've had sessions with you guys doing this and also when we did bhakti yoga a couple of weeks ago where we all chanted on together and my heart just popped off. Yeah, it's beautiful. Really opened up my heart chakra just felt this incredible feeling of love and gratitude. And I just looked around at everyone and it was kind of a thank you. No, no and I think that's for me anyway that's what happens.
Audrey Sarquilla 1:39:20
There's a power in that unity right and we talked about the unified field of love and we're all creating that together and and we can have these practices on our own and your fabulous musician by the way, Martin and look forward to playing with you. We do but yeah, and the the experience of the cat I think the cat wants to be in cured done
Martin O'Toole 1:39:50
with the cat. There is a honey cat in the background. You cannot hear the podcast. Apologies
Audrey Sarquilla 1:40:01
Yeah, yeah, I, I am, y'all. Did we understand that like? Anyone questions about geared MMA?
Martin O'Toole 1:40:11
I think you articulated really well, what's your perspective on a Christian?
Chris Sarquilla 1:40:14
Yeah. My experience and kirtan and the value of it is, I think there's something, I think there's something in the singing within a group of people and chanting words that, you know, translate to, like, you know, May all beings be happy and free, really opens up this, this flow of energy from the centre of my head down to the bottom of my toes. And I don't think my I don't think my general operation general way of operating throughout the day is like this open hearted, emotional individual. Really? Yeah. Surprised me, all right. But something really sneaks past my defences, in Kirtan, not that I'm actively defending anything, but I just, I just, I fit some point, there's a switch where I notice, and I'm just like, liquid been, you know, at some given moment, and it feels incredible. And similar to the surfing if I don't surf, you know, say every so often, I feel the same way. If we don't do kirtan, or something similar. I feel like something's missing, or something needs to be reset, somewhere. Yeah, and it's an amazing experience. And, and it is something that is created with the entire community, we've had some, some scenarios, where we've done a character on somebody's asked us to do a keratin. But the group that has arrived, doesn't really know what keratin is, they're not comfortable singing yet. And so we're kind of up on stage, you know, and like, let's say, 30 faces just staring at us. It's just cold. They're just not quite see. Yeah, yeah. And you know, in those times Adriene, I know exactly what to do, which is we commit to each other pack open. Sometimes, there's a moment of, oh, we haven't experienced this in a long time, but here it is. And so we just look into each other's eyes and smile. And we really do have an act of almost like to person kirtan. And maybe that catches a little bit of fire in the audience, but we're booming
Audrey Sarquilla 1:42:27
that love as well. Yeah. And then just listening and receiving it. Right. Yeah, but knowing that it's not that
Chris Sarquilla 1:42:35
but when we have an active an active participating kirtan group, which we typically do in this house, because people don't like at all to people, people have come for that. It's, it's amazing for us. It's amazing to receive everybody's voices and everybody's energy and well, it
Martin O'Toole 1:42:51
is for us too. And thank you for that gift for facilitating. Alright, I genuinely believe was is on two levels, isn't it? One, it's the words the two it's the frequency and we've talked about sound healing on the show, we're actually going to do a specific episode on frequency and the power of what it does to brainwave states but ultimately, frequency unlocks our energy centres and so interesting you talk about how you get out of your head during it will process it's a it's a it's actually a scientific process if we think about it, and I'm sure we have the right scientists on there, which is pretty cool because I talked about all the time on the show. We are in this Age of Aquarius now the dawn of the Age of Aquarius, were suddenly spiritually I'm doing aircraft's again. And science Stein to meet you know, and then the Institute of Noetic Sciences had been talking about this for years so so now there's now the science behind a lot of this stuff behind the power of frequency but I genuinely believe when we sing together like that, we our ego is literally disconnected. Put in the backseat gaffa tape is put over his mouth and consciousness starts driving the car. Consciousness is driving down the street going Nam this day. You know, some wonderful mantras and it's a beautiful experience and I honestly I don't care who you are where you are. I don't care if you don't even believe in God go to a kirtan session. And you know, let us know Yeah, did you contact us and say you know, she was shit. Oh, wow was his trousers. What happened there? I would imagine it'll be the latter
Julia Malcolmson 1:44:36
was that I didn't you guys know this because I've come to karaoke sessions with you. I don't song like I never sing but when it comes to Kirtan and I mean I do a lot of chanting anyway in my daily practice. And whenever I get the opportunity to chant with other people I'm like all in and it carried on I just, I just you built it out, build out because you do you you lose that that consciousness that self doubt, you know, I've never been confident with my voice but as soon as I'm in here and I'm you know what? The mantras I'm just gone.
Martin O'Toole 1:45:04
Yeah. And everyone's refund now see the thing I love about your cat on sessions? I just I make up my own harmonies.
Julia Malcolmson 1:45:10
Oh, it's great. He's always harmonising. Yeah, he
Martin O'Toole 1:45:13
might know it's actually we're sitting in the front of them, we're gonna get you on the mic. I'd love to I'd absolutely love to do it. But what's wonderful is been able to do that. And then someone near me goes, kinda like his harmony. So then they pick up on and then suddenly, before you know it, you've you've got four or five pa harmonies just organically being created around 80 people. I mean, imagine this is like a like a really cool quiet. Yeah,
Julia Malcolmson 1:45:37
yeah. Anyway, it's like, in so many even going back to when we talk about religions, like organised religions, people come together in community to sing, and that's what we want. We want community and we want to lift people up, we want to lift each other up.
Audrey Sarquilla 1:45:50
Yeah, and you want to feel welcome, no matter what path what religion you're on, it doesn't, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. If you do come from a specific religion, and you have your, your connection to God, and, and Allah and Jesus and whatever, whatever that way is, and it's like, you can still, you can still take part in. And you don't have to believe specifically in one, you know, one name or the other. All are welcome in that way. And that's, I think that's also the beauty of the practice.
Martin O'Toole 1:46:27
It is. And I said earlier on in the conversation that words are spells. And I genuinely believe that one of the good things you do in your sessions is you explain what it is we're singing. So you'll give everyone the Sanskrit but then you will explain what it is they're singing. By that rationale, we could sing it in any language. And if we believe it, then it's it's a spell. That's my perspective anyway. Well, I say this at the end of most podcasts, but Blood and Sand, I could have this conversation for a lot longer. We'll just have to have you back on. Now. Before you sing us out, do you want to just talk because you got an album out. So we want to want to make sure we get your album name, your social media handles and all of that so people can go and find you.
Audrey Sarquilla 1:47:14
Thank you. You can find our music at Audrey ser Kia on Spotify and other streaming services. You can find out about what we teach and where we teach at Audrey sakia.com. And yeah, we host trainings here in Bali. We also host bhakti trainings online, and specifically for those people who want to open up their voice and it especially if you feel like you you've never sung before, or afraid to sing or just want to just speak your truth more. I teach that as well as the harmonium and the harmonium is what you're listening to when we read chant and sing for you guys here on this podcast. And it's one of the easiest instruments to learn to and attune your voice to and feel the above the above of devotion and really get into the vibration which is so much of that sound that the current is that we're oming to you know is that in our own yeah and Instagram Audrey sokkia I don't know if you want to give your Instagram but so basically I do sir Kia and yeah, he's he's kind of the behind everything and that way and support support makes the websites and does all this stuff. And
Martin O'Toole 1:48:40
it is no Audrey and Chris Sarquilla for a reason.
Audrey Sarquilla 1:48:42
He doesn't he doesn't want it. Yeah, no, no, this is where we're clear. Yeah.
Martin O'Toole 1:48:48
Thank you guys. I've really enjoyed this conversation. Thank you for having us. Thank you very much. Thank
Julia Malcolmson 1:48:53
thank you so much both of you.
Martin O'Toole 1:48:55
May all beings be Happy
